Down thirteen we call the border hoping to order all members of President.
Bush or your preferred what I think there are back oh oh we have already.
Done this. Again in were here before everybody they were they didn't know.
I was encouraging everybody to think people be oh. Yeah this is the first lady
who. Are here just here and.
You are going to do with.
Your Records On the tables and on the back of the old record mass miscible so she
has several called in with you folks probably from something
a little bit more than on the tobacco control director for most officers this is.
So I think I'll be doing tonight is just going through you kind of had the dog and
pony show last meeting that's different products to the same thing it's
a refresher
a small portable products Thank You have got their prices. If you want you there
are more things right you need to shop in this area right that is typically. Some
of what's not new we brought is that we brought the samples that we use for
secondhand smoke to have for sale tobacco and that I have here by listening to the
hot topics and what other cities towns have done so I think it makes that we have
less good friend he has one it's easier faster to go to T.X.
Second answer do you work for the Department of Public Health we both run the
grants so I mean Show am
a whole grants through the only way to do this. Then is
a. Yes pushes health boards also as
a person. Who does potentially do as well.
So your second hand smoke regulation is pretty up to date just so just to you would
I have
a nice files for you that passes down Main. Street something that's. Planned
.
You know. Happy to. Follow along. So the state passed
a smoke free workplace smoke free workplace law years ago and it's been in place
it's been very successful it has
a bunch of exceptions and some cities and towns go beyond that and those exceptions
and so you had two thousand three regulations and your leave going beyond it is
that you have
a twenty foot buffer zone outside the entrances you know what buildings which was
he's in town still they also have a separate. Thing here that I think you have
a. Smoke free playgrounds PARK SPEECH Leary's immigration
so he's. So so this lets you know this you know you're good stead but if you want
to update your rig to this sick sample it's kind of the streamlined version of it I
can make it up to put these two things into it and any other area that you may
think that. You want to go beyond the state law clearly I can tell you the popular
places that that happens is. To ban smoking in cars which is
the long term stable of that allows honest very certain conditions very specific
conditions. Cigar bars and who go bars everything is.
So I see some towns that don't have those already like to put that in so you don't
get one the reason for not getting one is that. It breaks that level playing field
that all your restaurants and bars enjoy and so was that so that they feel slighted
that somebody went ahead and did this then who could present some whole host of
SANJAY code issues because people you know it's going to be this thing in the
middle with basically be up on their we all poses that we pay twenty bucks to get
a hose on their own special flavor so the sanitation sanitary issues that you can
imagine so we do recommend if you don't have
a right to have some like that and I don't believe you do this in the state where
it's only thirteen or fourteen they first have to get a deal are
a permit to do so it's not
a bad thing to just say when I got. These And then I know another place and it is I
would do a dining. Price There's
a bunch of variations out there with most common want to say wherever there's
waitstaff outside has to be smoke free so they still protect the waitstaff and we
get a lot of plates about and this but Boston is basically done because you get
a lot of complaints from people who are like I want to set aside just the preferred
seating but can't because that's where the smoking is and then that smoke on the
outside patio oftentimes going back in to the restaurant so that's just some of
those are two things to ponder there not you know that's not if you're really
talking about sales part of this but. And you see on there you see on the checklist
and in the reading with language.
So the sales regulation is the other regularly the latest requests we're here.
And it's the same news we're going to we're going to see lastly the empty her life
down so you just know that actually we've always known I need to see. Oh. Oh
oh right. OK maybe that. Left me. And I actually did take like
that. Through.
The. Room we want. To break so if you don't.
We can go down the list but if you have if you mean the end of decisions about
certain months just tell me to stop talking and. Nobody gave you some questions the
phones OK we're going to exit on some of those. But these are the first going that
checklist the seventeen point checklist The first is two hundred nineteen Bluey
products at this point in time so that it's a it's
a. I know other than that all the you could think up but if the guy who did what it
does does intend to do right now cigarettes electronic cigarettes is the only thing
left gets into it but in my time doing this job we've seen two liter bottles of
nicotine water and nicotine always pops come on off the market so this is
a rare instance I would try to get ahead of the industry and happy encapsulated
with this figure to whom not only English like cigarettes Bill anything out there
that is contains nicotine but doesn't pay untainted bacco so be outside your
current regulations and is not F.D.A.
Approved so this isn't a patch this isn't
a correct this is we are products that will pop up trite that what our purpose is
to keep kids from getting nicotine and then someday moving on to say your tobacco
so this captures that in the same way that campus tobacco vending machines no sales
minors cell service place it gets infused the whole regulation so that's our
intense. Questions on that and
a quick question for me right now you say basically the only thing. That this
really applies to as the smoke the cigar overrides electronic thinking about me.
But if we adopt is regulation will it only be for electronic cigarettes no because
it has that it has
a definition of price and we'll see if. You're
at electronics and read this page for half way get us definitions for it so goes
with I just went through in the last sentence says nick named Lee Brice include But
no but are not limited to the cigarettes that captures what track cigarettes but
goes beyond that in Jack in
a proactive move to try to help with the industry in the rear.
Clearly where it's unsettling so usually way behind the scenes they have you know.
Focus groups right now going on fifty kids somewhere in the States trying to figure
all of that is to sell and sell so the second number two on the list is the station
sign requirement as a separate sign for retailers who have
a tobacco sales permit which under this would be called
a complex nicotine delivery product sales and tobacco sales permit. For
a long time we are trying to figure out how to have a sign that having
a quick line on it but there were some lawsuits around the country on this that you
couldn't induce
a retailer to come since their customers to Clayton all this stuff and then just
one day casually talking to the kitchen is the back to a gradual process goes
a process requiring this for right five years of the problem is so is the bottom
side has to quit line number on that which is our statewide smoke free quit lying
that toll free quit line that it's been sports he's in English and it's our one
Swe So it's our biggest resource helping current smokers to quit so it'll be in the
say it will require. Are that science is it free yet the signs are pretty sure it
will always be free yes because the only thing I would consider also putting on
extra costs on our signs for free they could know the organizers Sherry's their
sanity not by eleven so that way because we can order them from
a clearing house in the mail them to you or you can print them on the printer color
printer or even tell your permit to do it themselves. I know there are
a lot of the state laws Yeah anyone getting out here more real than I do in
fact. Good. Number three is that it is the
third sign and that's just if one of your permit nice wants selling cigarettes
is just
a sign that says the cigarettes can't be sold kids and that. Your cigarette may not
be. Determine who's maybe buying it may be pretty good printed in the town that you
want to use a good thing just as
a warning that because you know this is selling these things
a lot of times it's for smokers to use it anywhere they want it but we lost season
towels that's why first it's just around. That type of person.
This is what happened this is what's happening statewide. And the first one you'll
see. These are the cities and towns that have expanded to include all the
electronics of cigarettes and the people. And of this fifty eight thirty five of
them also banned the use of. Nicotine cigarettes anywhere the state bar is and
that's in the east that's only E.T.S.
Samples so are these nicotine delivery products allowed to be sell so to mine and
then yes right now you know eighteen. Unless you have
a. Their trade substation you know that electronic cigarette makers have their own
trade association and they recommend done there. Website to not sell to kids so
it's not something that will. They'll be found and so the scientists this is really
reminding kids that they can enter my work and there's no cost right now Livy
pages making it that sideways that we just plain black and it's I think some taken
out we are going to defend it everybody Richard Nixon you know because.
Number four is just that in the in those conditions to get
a permit we now include. A section that says he had to have that as
a state license holder we expect you to comply with all the rules of the master.
Pricing. This fall is very kin to your local licensing because you like your
license is say something very similar I will say right now we're in the Ph D.
You are a body that's about pricing hopefully
a pill so that's fair So this is the one area that actually. Dio and they are going
to get rid of the pricing is very complex for them to do but this is the one area
that both E.P.A.
Age and the industry like living in stress of like some place because without it
you are just going down down down down down and we want to keep the prices this is
where I had problems. Which thought that the minimum
pricing was not a tax increase but they understood that it was you know this is
a separate tax increase on the governor's budget so what this does is D.P.H.
Has done
a deal where as to the spheres. So they hold the they actually have on their
website. A list of every single not only brand but submarines so I was
like I'm over red not
a red line over red light number one goal and what if it goes on and on and they
list a minimum price. And then
a story change story that's been going on for years but there's exceptions to it
and so your arse just is tired of dealing with the exceptions so they just they
want to back the whole thing. Back three masted ph over and Green Green Star Search
Engine or consultation with the governor of this week about India or stacked or
probably so has some of it separate from the ten dollar increase that the governor
has
a budget and. This was specific to the list that were packaged to his governor's
budget the governor's budget Starkey cigarettes and then. A tax increase comparable
for these kind of projects but these right sacks OK but these products get taxed
very differently they get they get taxed on weight. And X.
Amount you know thousand unit labor how big they cost like fifty cents right then
and it looks like you know any any kid even though it's illegal for kids to buy
these products I don't know why I would have to increase the cost of them because
they shouldn't be mine in many way but if they are buying them it is fifty cents
and now we say we want the minimum price including we want to be two dollars fifty
cents which holds getting that extra money which is the person selling
him making money is getting the money poor isn't
a tax hike from the state. When we do that.
I can do it so the whole sick thing so this is the history this is the history of
it the short answer is. The retailer. Is probably
not losing their make some retailers make big money out of this one take away so
Boston realized
a couple years ago that state wide and their data showed this to that user buying
more cigarettes that they buy more of this. Rather than cigarettes and this has
been true state licensed twenty eleven. So Boston stole language from the city of
Baltimore that said if you're going to sell these if you can sell cigars you must
sell them in packs of four for example this is
a pack of. Black and miles of sugary particles kids like
a mild surprise the are hot people with kids until we call result time off hip hop
if you it's
a rap they all know black you know this every single thing that every head over
fourteen knows that blacks would not sign them but that's beside the point and so
but you'll see that this is where marks but in all the four bucks so so in Boston
you can sell this at market rate. If you choose to sell a single cigar than
a single cigar must be sold at two fifty seven. This was the sixty nine cents on
this grapes ago. But I says we don't care if the sixty minutes outside you have
sells for two fifty eight so all I want to know is where is that extra money down
the retailer and it's not
a tax now and in fact what we learned this scheme Cicare
a little why don't they raise the price on their loan it would be more profitable
for because their moorings the state forcing
a chart of the food from the grocery and what they'll tell you if you go this route
you'll get letters from Whoopi in store so she actions as such as we'll tell you is
that they will think that it does two things number one that is. That adults
because they'll never get the kids about them are dull customers won't come in and
buy as many of these as as many of those are great and we like to see them every
single day because they come in they buy this the newspaper the coffee we don't
want them buying this plus if you sell this to them they'll smoke more because the
of these in their possession but we live that already with single cigarettes are
sold for twenty five cents and just because we now force mission Why people to buy
packs of twenty doesn't mean that this will be twenty times more you know it still
goes down. So yes so in Boston we saw some but there's some place we it was it's
a hot topic so let it sit for
a year we other cities and towns past and you'll see that it's. The second time to
take to these in the cities and towns that are put in place but you'll see buses
went to the banks every day of twenty twenty twelfth we didn't let the next one go
into effect until parklands January thirteenth trying to thirteen we want to let We
want to see how it played out and the way it's practically playing out is that half
the retailers. Sold down their single stuff and they're only selling these the
other half have also selling these. So they're making
a killing actually because they play games for like thirty cents and seven hundred
thirty nine some profit they make two dollars twenty cents
a week and then we learned from our to backtrack to who represents the greater new
area he was talking to
a retailer who said the distributors giving these to me for free. And you saw them
separately but. Then this is this is now getting attached to six so getting him on
his state only thing the only benefit the tack to he's really going to live because
the only state difference would mean that in this they're getting probably
a three percent three cent sales tax and it goes up to fifty making whatever that
sales tax isn't. So that's the difference so.
Practically it was playing out and now spending here we're trying to get some data
out of Boston it makes logical sense
a kid to buy these less if they were to fifty I would try to get data out of us and
see how it's going the industry's provided no data that anybody's losing any money
you know if it were Trust me they were if they found
a retail prices of money they'd be parading that person around the city. I've seen
that. The industry has Philip Morris by this company so they hired
a lobbyist to try to get
a retailer succumb to the hearings because they know this this really does affect
them. And so we think this is
a very effective step in getting kids to stop smoking and one one little side
so cigarettes in the by federal law can't be sold anything but plain menthol any
more so there was
a time though that camel had Caribbean mist. And there are other kinds of flavors
those are all gone but the industry went off of this and that's why Philip Morris
The Because these come in wine flavor What kid would want to ask if it hasn't been
there done that well you know you should be have
a look in the cigar people have better lobbyists that I say are people basically
stuff so. The next step though is both the city of Providence and New York City
have banned all this flavored stuff as well but it's still too hot legally for us
to touch the city's town store in town sized having to we don't hear us because
they believe their health board has their own legal product but we don't mind if we
go I mean you're
a drinker and we do if you're here if your town is you wouldn't laugh if we you
know thank you for being with us so we're being cautious about somebody we are so
that's the the triple threat to these are they're cheap they're single and they're
highly flavored and but and the reason that the high flavor is they want to go
after kids they will stand there and say straight faced I am fly. You know why some
customers are in the forty's and fifty's who the joy of find grapes
a guy that I mean it's just not is one of. Them was a very is
a question I have though and in this is where I stand for the you know is that the
I'm I'm all for the fines so I say what is our current line if the minor buys one
of those or two of those
a time of the fine and yeah yeah I know but what you don't know what it is you know
you just go way over you are way up there correct where my nose. You have
three hundred sixteen ounce albums which I was going to have this discussion about
how it's going you know I think that's what we wanted we're going to hire us time
yeah to have higher fines and we didn't know how high we could go I hurried out of
the question you had to say I don't know thirteen or
a hundred two hundred three hundred we want to go to thirty five and Revolver OK so
what I think are going to really that's one hundred I was in Jordan the second but
I wish him three hundred for the purple What happens oftentimes going out there
like this is something to sell so it's. Whole history of the just me and.
Right now sort of this is no status no limit to what the town can put in the going
to be hiring his new friend in two thousand so OK so I headed to south of where you
must've gotten OK sort of those are seven you were right three hundred six zero
zero zero zero two thousand still there were down there and down yeah there wasn't
any I don't like on my. Back right.
It should never survive for how I'm going back to being OK well take home pay the
limitation and so back in the seventy's during the well the ministration so I was
in the seventies when needed so. You can see the. Central. Coast Center and he put
it he put it in
a law called non-criminal disposition law which allowed cities and towns if they
got authorization from town through dialogue that you could write civil tickets so
you know they look like
a meter maid ticket and the benefit to that was that if you caught somebody who
went to the clerk magistrate here civil court to either go after them or that's
what they would contest take it rather go to criminal. So we we pushed hard
on the. Back or using our colonel disposition because we didn't want
a that you know the clerk have
a criminal record over this because here you know this is the early days tobacco be
you people would loose the fine print in court it gets handed over the state and
it's gone. So oh most of our measures are are
done through not from suspicion however one problem is that. The state of US
caps at three hundred. So if you go over three hundred it's not possible you can
just I don't know maybe you already do this board in the Senate in
a straight of orders you know just
a letter on your head saying we caution this compliance Jackson's check for
a thousand bucks but if they can test the code. So be sure the numbers it is for
will state where because of say Boston goes beyond Go ahead it's like there are
quite a few. One stands out and we were just with like I was just with
a template of people can test things the timing was the right but I had been able
more more don't contest that much because and I think it was Newton I think you
know always gets out. Of ministry I've noticed that yeah you know never that's not
just his fault it wasn't didn't they would just send them
a love letter and I was used to letters. As you see the ticket so as I said to the
north as you know the ministry was looking for the page of the business and the
letter of the law Yeah all the way from and so every board of health issues that
they have whether it's you know we're
a dumpster thing or white or whatever it is they send out
a letter you know you should find and the judge comes back so in reality I don't
want to scare you off by the bulk of the court thing but in reality we have so few
. People contesting it because it's now part and parcel of their of retailers world
they expected. That it may happen now and then but maybe your town council will be
perfectly frank I think they really break do whatever you want real you know I just
think it's the better best way to go to get them to start if you're well taken it's
accurate the kids are getting so easily I'll take the better route is this is
Herman suspension. What do you think it's almost a day when they had
a smoking selling for minors to age well the only one asking where it's what and
how I do you know they did yeah Compliance Check but you've accepted your own
internal compliance checks in severe difficult given right in through the state
and. Done on your own dollar on you when you mean Compliance Check is having
someone going to grant it goes into the store under adult supervision and try to
purchase it and that would go through our police department not only trained some
of them Sharon came to the training so Sharon can go out and be the adult
supervisor doing the compliance Jack and we have used all cross the state and been
trained so what Sharon is ready I can connect. With Is there
a cost to the risk they're going to give up and do you expect to be paid and
they're generally paid eight to ten dollars an hour so it's fine to start about it
dollars an hour remind you how many thirty thirty stories you just heard you know
where they're serving thirty. Stories you can get that. Could
probably get that done and. Three or four hours.
Was in the news not just you know need money to purchase the product.
But with fifty cents. Here you know this if you haven't had a Compliance Check in
a lot of years. Of use could go into your the resource and
come out with fifty percent of the time and fifteen percent more more of the time
to purchase stuff this isn't going to cost much is my cost forty nine to sixty nine
cents but
a pack of cigarettes is going to cost nine dollars so you need to be prepared you
know this is you know the there's no gram money from that point out from the so
there are now but OK I will say I just as interesting as I do with compliance
checks so the federal government expects every state in all fifty states to do
a sampling of the plans check statewide so we're lucky enough to have
a pretty extensive direct program so almost all of our plans checks go for either
new ports or whole roads because that's where kids but they're also the most
expensive so books and books that. If you were to tomorrow do
appliance check for the first time in years it wouldn't be surprising if you
actually cut half. If you want to save substantial money but you want to jack that
up to three or sketching or have
a kid like it. Because they're actually especially if they're chains there they
train the chains to think the kid comes in from long rows be more careful that the
kid comes in for these half the virtual you know these are so that itself so if we
want you know in
a way we want to set an example to go into place check out something like this or
black
a single black. With cash paid nine percent yeah you know when I was doing the finals
checks and I had switched over cigarettes to Usually these and.
Particularly get
a sixteen seventeen year old girl going in and asking for help each game.
And some of the girls but she were to do the blank check that I. Didn't And I just
I was. Just always struck me as very strange that they were selling studies to
her yeah you know now we also know from the outside just inside that if you are. A
teenage boy clerk will sell to selling anybody anybody. Going
to do you think been well trained so it's not like there are you know young ladies
going to go into the store and and chatting up or anything that doesn't happen they
go when they ask for whatever drugs straight for They've been told by the adult
supervisor purchase and that's it you know that you know it's she didn't work out
whether she's going to walk out without it because she was asked for her I.D.
. You know time to think most like most of the small stores around here and because
what you don't go into any of those stores now although you don't go away and well
not all Sharon went to three to the training but. When they're ready for that the
first things you have
a silly reason for yeah yeah February early February and they're going to declare
everything seems Doris is fun for in that yeah I was like many layers and. Yeah so
that is it and what we do know is that. When retailers know that somebody is out
there and we also are reminding them of the F.T.'s out there the F.D.A.
Does not tell us or you when they're in town they just going to do that. They just
need to be on their toes and that's when they know that the you know it's watching
that thing you know to be able to lose. Over time they shouldn't be so nice.
And then oh no there are communities that have
a very low you sales rate but it's because they're diligent they're out you know
they're doing lines checks they're out in the stores like you know the person in
Sharon's position would actually be in the stores
a number of times throughout the year reminding them. You know we're all doing
clients jets the F.D.A.
Is also doing on
a chance to get checked all the time and you really need to be diligent about not
selling tobacco products to kids so you know it's. The industry has such
a presence in the retail stores because they get the money to do the advertising
they've got you know their product in there which is advertising in itself to get
those cigarette reps in the stores all the time we don't have that you know we
don't have that president President so we encourage people to go out for
a little bit the other part of the training that Sharon did was on retail
inspections so that she can incorporate into battle retail inspection in with her
food service inspection doing there and there is
a separate list menus in Florida related or I notice in it is here is
a room the last of you believe the signage I can see over is checked for years
right and he and
a few training. Service telling us that it is for instance stop and shop if you
have
a cashier and your House races never accept Gretzky cash or go to their customer
service desk it's the cigarettes for that asked if they're being outstation they
still have to have
a sign at their cash register so I'm handing out seventeen. Separate
signs free to pass through a few instructions plus they have their sign it has
a service desk was missing and that's when I say we're right on this to begin with
that's right order this is signed today. They're publicly or how very very often
here and I think I've actually gone through the one I have ordered seventeen Nov
twenty five and learning up throughout the night we're going to have history and
English and I should say right now so much talk show but like being in stores. In
between the time with the Philip Morris read the R.J.
Reynolds the cigar rep they all come in they're all like can you move that away and
put mine here and screw that sign the night checking you know so there's always
this this whack a mole that are doing with the industry over this is
a sign you can just hand it out like that on the display they're going to come in
they're going to yank that sign down and it's no skin off their back because
they're not the permit holder so technically they can't that you know the Philip
Morris rep can't be fine he's just taking
a side right off of his property so we can start you know part of the training is
me reviving books like Sharon you know what I'm getting from the sign might in part
to put it up to back to industry property put it up on
a wall somewhere only just customer service area to visit with me and I write down
and sign interest do not sell it to under eighteen it's
a state law and it is if you sign our BLACK Yeah. And I gather from that
where there's
a live look at this playing some of the comic. Opera you really have it both of you
know yeah it's called the self-service display here and they can't have it on the
converse of I could if I can touch it without having that ask for it that it's
a self-service display and you know share it was trading it and depending on the
size of this it just like I hope you know are you getting give them thirty seconds
to move it. And then right then take it if they don't where you get it if it's
something big are you going to negotiate OK How long does it take you to go down
days hard work
a lock to put on that human door. Well it doesn't take three weeks I'll be back in
forty eight hours or whatever. They're. OK.
So. OK So you know there was one I'm going to I want to back up real quick there
was just one point I wanted to make on the minimum pricing that been talked about
on
a number for that minimum pricing on refers to cigarettes or these things there's no
state minimum price and them so if you adopt that provision in your
regulation here is to Tooting
a community minimum price exactly what you know its members doesn't write inscribed
minimum cigar size price right but there's no state minimum for these things like
there is there is for cigarettes so you see they get up to scramble for it that
would include minimum price of the zygote as well there's already merely
a crazy go see only I need to make that clarification
a little bit so the section says. It's page six or ten.
So the issue is about on the shelf and just not Africans I'm going compliance with
current nasty you are requirements set of policies including But all of
a minimum retail price of tobacco products so right now there's only
a minimum retail price for cigarettes OK right and they actually expanded that
tobacco products because maybe somebody the miracle of way happened that to your
students
a miracle pricing list for the stuff so right now we have to get this later that
correct OK but it would have some changes and yet if you are right there maybe
we're really is we have dreams. OK so. Number five
is pretty standard I put it in because I thought it was unique but what cities and
towns do this that you don't you know permit standing fines exist we do that very.
Practically and we haven't had the up to the right because you're right but. Even
like friends outside times have you checked that like the whole town Oh yes but if
you don't issue
a renewal if the store doesn't you know it is going to be her designing and so YES
YES YES Did you know they were in
a little yes and yes so that's pretty standard in the Los Angeles slice of them.
Number six is this cap that I think was discussed at the previous one so we the
mystery gave you the cap language today so we have about five six cities and towns
that have decided to cap their permits the theory behind this is to is the same
kind of similar theory behind capping liquor licenses and that is to have
a set number of retailers who if they know that they're the privileged class they
going to care more about their permit and if they lose it and there's
a waiting list they'll have to get on that waiting list it's good for us it's makes
for fewer places that need to be have complaints takes fewer places for kids to get
thing is on cigarettes and it kind of corrects. Something that we've never that
we've not done tobacco which is that we've basically walk him fill out the
application write
a check and you get it we don't have any quality control so this is saying that you
know our town probably is about where we need to be it's very unusual to hear that
you have three new vendors because in fact everybody's going down by referencing
Boston just because I know that's usually has every nightmarish. Contortion
happening but Boston has right now eight hundred sixty nine vendors when we start
the program there are over twelve hundred so just through. A few places sell
tobacco some have given up voluntarily vending machines have gone away so they're
not in restaurants and we just see this so you're you're you know unusual that
you've gone up
a little but here the retail stores are all they all want all right here and
so while they typically what these towns have done is they've said OK. We're going
to have we're going to starting slow this is working it is goes for
a slow gradual cap so you'll see in the wording that if I'm going to renew my
permit it's not the cap doesn't matter I can renew my permit we do put thirty days
in it that way they have to move their butts
a little faster to not be chasing them six months down the road. And if I sell
Sarah Sarah has sixty days to capture my permit so we're not putting my say on that
disadvantage for that so this is
a slow gradual way of going but it does say you know you probably have fewer than
thirty liquor stores I'm sure. About is the way saying we're saturated enough that
we can do this and then if
a waiting list does start up. And. Tomorrow I know that you have
a target you target or has
a nationwide policy that will sell tobacco but if they were to reverse that target
could say Charron have
a list of your things are so good and he'll go to the one that's the smallest and
say I'll give you twenty thousand to turn. It up we don't care about that we love
that kind of brokering happen that happens with liquor stores looking licenses all
time but it's just it's just trying to to cap the density so we just can stop
having this classic intersection in suburbs where all four corners are filled by
gas stations set off or sell tobacco they're all competing you know with prices and
bigger signs and see get the back of problems down three sensible of the next one
and just say we're good Isn't this enough sales to satisfy our
diminishing percentage of smokers we have in town. So far so good for those towns
and one town where him has
a reduction in that for five five years down the road but I think it's as easy just
to say
a little piece of that in five years if you want to see that. Accurate. The way the
calculation typically is. Take
a current number if you pass the. Pharmacy no direct sales pharmacy
part that will get to some tracking number pharmacies and then add one or two just
in case there's something in the pipeline that you don't know and. It's not highly
scientific but it's just going to have. No favorite three to four but
Target doesn't sell and maybe actually being this drug. Well they're just talking
about
a problem. Here so he gets rid save three. And two out of the three are
changes that have already been affected. Someone's back rugs been
pharmacies in front of him that it wouldn't work here so we'll get there that the
number seven is the cigar pricing that we just talked about is being left ramps and
you'll see the list of cities towns have been. A number of them are large possibly
first class and actually got sued on banning black ramps for one of the highest
court in the US just yesterday. So
a lot of rap and Danimal opened it up for you and it is
a flavor sheet of reconstituted tobacco so the sheet rolled up so you can make
a drawing to out of it and so this one that's what they're doing this holds and we
all know it as we all know zigzag but exiting is not the big seller in this field
they're all highly flavored it's usually crap tobacco but. This is really nice and
yes from Mexico most of them from Mexico would probably sleep the floor to make
this thing. Sell for fifty cents to
a buck and kids used to roll joints are concerned is that near tobacco we don't
want them to drink concern is there's one trying to say well you know we don't want
to ask that's about we don't want to get to get over their drugs they're part phase
and they then be addicted to for tobacco for no. Thirty years. Too small South
Boston has been these awesome band that been back three years and like I said we
have the big cities that actually do the spots and you get fertile and. I have
never been to this well it's been not
a problem and this is the one area that you're usually your police chief likes to
see concert because of its drug problem and I wonder who's been on the market one
perhaps try this morning last. Boss wanted to see.
This because you know I've been on nine this is probably more than five years out
and says Here now with those falling Disney restrictions as well being there's
no live free enough this is
a sneak into new season towns are being. Banning rolling papers by
state law is the one place where you have a long way in. The world and there is
a horse in the center there is
a girl really very moving and better lobby as we can find something we can find the
legislative history as to why they ever. Work in cities and towns like understand
if you know people do this in the older people that might you know that's the way
they've always done it I can see those type of people I don't I think the way the
state I want to read zippy it's if you have been in place before two thousand Think
you can keep it but anything after that you can only limit. Rolling papers to it
which also but the point is that that is
a nicotine delivery from. This executive real tobacco industry. So that's
that that's number eight number nine now that we talk about and then move that we
get when do we as its image the second discussion. The price for not just
a minimum he said well I'm just conflict actually I'm sorry I'm confused because
sorry I thought that you were saying there. As
a board we could institute this pricing Yes but then you're saying that. Hasn't
really gone into effect any plans now no it has
a process went into effect and then we had
a handful of channels read about this to the media and say we want to do it too so
we let those all happen but we asked that they all waited for the fact to date for
the year anniversary of us and to see how it played out in Boston we did
a cigar tool kit we have
a sample letter to go to retailers and see if there's any lawsuits in the house. So
you'll see on that sheet that lists what happened statewide to see blossom into
effect and twenty in February twelfth but then we did. But when it's not something
months later but we hook in but you'll see that we had
a bunch going forward in February and then we have about four more going and able
one so it was just to sit back to how it played out but it's going well but yes we
did learn retailers get confused by this so the letter does explain
a pretty as clearly as we think we can do so even if you've decided to do that new
regulations to get this toolkit that you just spoke out of that Sharon would have
access to that has information that would go out to the retailers in this one the
whole thing to them how to implement it and everything so that everybody
understands what they need to do the letter goes through
a bunch of this in the frequently asked question that goes with it so so but it's
getting better but we're that's that's what I meant by we kind of just let it sit
for a year just to see our play with that that kind of rang
a little bell. To see if there were any in the last and this is meeting we adopt
this we can do those and I still think to be
a doctor you can expose anything have we have no trouble with that we think at this
point it would seem that we think at this point A that we lens from here go past.
And be that we're having season towns. And to up exactly the language of Boston. So
he could argue so he's Boston would be with help with the loss of there but
so far so good but this is probably the hottest topic for
a lawsuit and that's why we have the full year.
Being We dems of coupons. A lot of our older rigs have something about coupons but
we're basically saying is that you can't meet. Companies think about all the hoopla
to one particular medium coupon that drives the price of cigarettes below price. So
cigarettes are nine dollars if you get
a dollar couponing and the price is eight fifty you can only get fifty cents on
that but they came with just
a day with this language you're saying. Actually you could do that technically yes
they could but what we find actually is that if you the next time you see
a cigarette canister you know it's not right this is what you think and what.
Somebody something is or ever how some people survive so I would hate even though
it's for something that's killing them some of the some of these things are going
towards adult sales to adult consumption but you'll also notice with
a coupon specifically the next A.B.C.
And the news in
a magazine it's using program for American spirit anyway so whatever they do in the
bottle say void in Massachusetts success of so that that that
a lot of companies know about to give out stuff and yes you discuss their freight
of getting their retailers across the coupon thing came up because Mansfield I
think is going to create words now I think you know their new hardware is
ridiculous whatever. We got wind up ahead of the fact that there is going to be
a big country music of that there I think and they were going to be giving out
coupons and they approached the Board of Health head of time saying no problem with
this rights of the Board of Health would regulations pretty quickly to the
reduction of the coupons so if there if they're giving out the coupons at the pump
that summer millions feel they can't come here to Abington to redeem those coupons
and we put in so this is just
a reduction of some of the phrase that would drive the prices down. Retailers to
find themselves in. Big self-service Clayson vending machines ten eleven
was these towns or do that I'm not sure what to. Think you didn't get an issue to
go. With that. And we don't have any self-service
every place now and then the cigarettes if you get
a good counter well better when this is what it's all service to small it means is
that you don't own a little cardboard box on the counter with
a hole filled with these things in there you can touch it without having that ask
for it that's
a subset of this display so all tobacco products are supposed to be over the corpse
head behind the clerks back in something plastic that you
know that there are the back side of the road that but believe it opens I mean if
it turns I'm still going to consider that
a self-service display because if it turns and you can open the door as
a customer then you've got it's
a need that needs to be locked and humidor needs to be locked so can I just say Oh
so the last time you were here you the young lady that was with Jackie Jackie had
found prior to coming to this meeting the self-service place here OK it's what she
told. And I should say I don't have
a number I can look up the number but you probably have under fifty two other
cities and towns that ban cell service to place the vending machine thing you know
if you have
a thing where you know you want to go in front of. Their dear girl or
a phone where they can now say self-expression are recited one of the face and say
can it be on an iconic piece again because I thought I could take the cell service
or when he began to put
a mouse regulations there are certain instances where you can have with.
Self-service display never be in and then you don't someone is establishment but if
you have abandoned selves they regard like
a bar or more important smoke shop the smaller shop to back up shop but if you have
a bandsaw service displays then to agree to service is one brand inspection to
bring your gifts for the borrowed from. Well OK this is
a man isn't allowed in the Razor way but you'll see in the that section that deals
with private as such are splays the. The compromise language is the attorney
general regulation which does
a lot of people if they're called on me the whole time so if you want to keep that
let's bring the vending machine when I should say the feds have cut that have
chopped up the requirements beyond the attorney generals to the point that he
should have every right which is you need you can only have any machine place read
between the location that bans adults bans kids all the time so we're finding them
now and then like the Elks bought one hundred years ago but if the else ever has
a birthday party they can never have
a better machine so the vending machines really get booted out by the feds and the
state but the subs are splayed if you want friends still have that we can craft of
that. And you'll see in the IT SAYS. Something like the last
good the federal thing I saw in the in top on his devilish ones which were in the
background and this is it. You are not supposed to be allowed in to
a tobacco store so if you use goes in the door. Any other word we use they
pounced they need to be pounced on right away and ask for ID right away at the door
they shouldn't even be able to get up to
a counter that's how quick it supposed to be and if it's yes yes he is doing
Compliance Check here in Massachusetts and they go into friends. Similar to back of
the store and the news going in is not pounced on here written up and fine to where
the F.D.A. Does in that situation if a kid walked by a cigarette sipped it with
a number of fine violation and when they go through the door violation to the check
ID violation of the three they saw This Is So this I think you can see I've got to
find it all the time I'm right there and more visits and triggers more visits
picture so so but so I was
a go to the vending machine band it's just not really no way around it but if you
want to do the cell service display you'll see at the end of this F.D.A.
Slash limits that's the language of yours. Number twelve really your own machines
as one of them are white Grow Your Own So what happened about two years ago we
started seeing popping up first in smoke shops and gas stations and convenience
stores this thirty thousand dollars sheen that made
a carton of cigarettes in ten minutes for most of the smoke shop was Army in charge
of seventeen dollars a car compared to eighty dollars for
a car. So it was welcome we were trying to figure out how to how to stop them they
did but because what happened is she would sell me the tubes and the cheap.
Really undertaxed by federal standards cigar so they are back I'd walk over via
touch screen and I could do this I'd stand there and then I'd be responsible for
him the tobacco or whatever else I had in my hand and I'd be responsible the kid as
a customer pulling out the single cigarettes and put him in
a box so the store it's a machine in
a store that you know when you're going there also exactly like your doctor has we
were just trying to we're just wrapping your head
a bit as have we with Attorney General of the already well we got we're all trying
to figure out how it affects the fire marshal to we're all trying to figure this
out and Philip Morris slips
a provision into. The federal transportation bill like that sign July that
basically been some everywhere except for private clubs so you could you could have
a role your own club where you know each pay five dollars
a year to go use this machine so even though the Feds have effectively with Philip
Morris kind tell me happy all this out of our life we still haven't been here just
in case some someone down the road or the film our C.E.O.'s have
a thirty thousand dollar machine somewhere down the road we want to make sure that
our cities and towns don't let these things come in because we want to keep that
price high this is a sanitation issue God knows what some people are putting in
a machine. And it doesn't get clean between users at that point of the day.
So unfortunately we actually start warning retails not to buy them because we will
have
a retails at the city of thirty thousand dollars or counter or more they would walk
two or three of the other guy and father out for now. And for him to use her but
he then becomes
a manufacturer just like the people that are making this so I have to pay into the
master settlement agreement and follow all sorts of brochures regulations and
everything like that so there isn't really yeah Philip Morris basically said the
mall and smoke shop these pay all the same fees on everything in the bag so we
do it. So that it kills all but that's why we have it there so that was
a secret So still there's not enough doesn't the financial something else like this
does not affect
a little tiny machine that you can make one cigarette time design also a kind of
a microwave sized machine that for three or buxom heavy smokers might buy for
themselves and to this in effect home use does say retailer cannot be doing this
step. And then thirteen and fourteen the same time that Boston being to plant wraps
They'll also be into back. Sales and health care students primarily pharmacies and
educational institutions primarily college person and so you'll see this is the the
next two sheets are approved on what state will be so that the pharmacy one where
up to fifty five actually because it's just passes to the. Leaf in fact cities and
towns of the six largest cities in the state have been subject to sales in pharmacy
is also captures and we clinics because actually there's nothing in the book that
says
a hospital can't sell tobacco in their gift shop there is no stable so this affects
clinics chiropractors offices plus the stuff back this way places the
characteristics of. The slow sure we because most of the sell
short communities are not funded through the bankruptcy years of so so I
was coming out of Washington tight clothes proactive. So I can tell you
as a boss now has been in place for four years we have not. Issued
a ticket there's not
a loss of there's been credible compliance and you'll see all the major players one
knows in two out of the three so you get your stuff in shop and Wal-Mart on there
and they're already not selling tobacco you know one zero is not listed in the
interests of one passage here and having to they're not in that an eyelash no
waiting for you to do in target to make they have to disclose their work for stuff
which I so why does your district manager would not be surprised to see you have
twenty seven state wide that are but stopping short is in the health care it's too
short we'll let you know when you're going to run it is just
a nobody no I don't think that the pharmacies and how cancer solution I work in
health care and that's how they were going to as
a state that's how they look at Senator Martinez is there either weren't always
supportive. Have it in them forever Well let me just ask you I won't I won't
belabor it but when you see that walking so they same come to us by violence are
they saying come to our trusted pharmacies pharmacists or the medical here read as
my source is
a living no greeting disagreeably business he said nice to disagree with somebody
way so it's better to spend an easy sell for the pharmacies to come appliance most
about in and pharmacies chose not to sell tobacco when years ago and the remaining
independents that do kind of do it because they're near
a chain and they don't want the disadvantage that if they like the good old days
when restaurants all that smoke free as long as restaurant
a country the same is Restaurant be felt good about the same thing and easy target
doesn't sell cigarettes in this to us nation like what you just put it here saying
that this city fourteen targets right they get included because. Then the
educational institution the way that works is that Boston said. The first one to do
it and so they said. No to ban sales in colleges universities not
only their bookstores but also like if you go down Kami have those seven eleven
for their on the for on the street level of the Be you going for it's if you're if
your landlord is it your sense to say you can't sell tobacco. The listener sure
because
a lot of these towns don't have. Cars universities but we still think it's not
a bad thing to do because you may someday have
a satellite campus to go you know what you have having to frankly but you may
someday have good lives nationals unfortunately but like wisdom is never fully
acknowledge or something all it takes are not now being done with them but they may
in some you know they just may stay with you no one saw you in the early or school
of the for all you with real good dreams. They were called. Routine.
You know that's what was it that was. So I mean measure something more because I
went there in fifth and sixth Street I'm twenty one years here.
So that's another part of the last. Ten years well you're not on the board
David Moore is not as proactive that's already on the books. They'll fix
a console just like I play and Alex great was this
a really solid Slugger that you're in your high now Ameritrade this this goes
beyond He's access to saying you know we don't want kids who are. Eating You know
twenty four to pick up but they're not kids they're not kids by
a lot but frequently what happens is if you manage to get them through high school
not smoking when they go off to college frequently
a lot of them because that's it well that's really the serving
a lot of the residents are going to say what do you do if you have
a cigarette it's a rare offering routine to get them to get them to quit they have
a tough tougher time getting some of that is because they're also spending you know
time drinking and smoking at the same time whatever but so you know what helps
limited to keep that means group in check a little bit. So that there's
a reason positive effect. Just so whereas that we use the last
thing which is just. As you sell tobacco price to younger population with people
you respect smokers it's incompatible with. Education He doesn't need to think
about it so the next section playing strip yes of this goes so how did you learn
three hundred
a state law that you have that's the minimum you can't go onto the set but you
certainly can go beyond that so you right now have the state. Signing scheme and
you certainly as we spoke of earlier I think one of the important things is and us
is. To do is suspensions. Because three
hundred dollars is still just like. The kind of warrants
a senator who has doing things I think we've done there and you don't need me just
before your time to have any money you have to be right. You don't get it but it's
the reason why it's checks right there and United case you get it just so there is
something you're not well we started doing more than he well it's something that
we're going to have to ask that we certainly I think that. We all have plenty right
down a line item that we can't have a train or
a playbook put around and not two of the things we're going to work on that somehow
or I do say if we Right right you know I can and I haven't noticed
myself to Tyrone or McCain Oh yeah that's right so it's very it's pretty standard
that we are standard language that you have to arrive used to one or two and three
hundred go that also has a for the second time
a seven day. Suspension and being kind of third time is
a thirty day suspension and I don't know him that's the state that I'm sorry
there's already it's not the states are it's
a recommendation from the state doesn't see this leaves one hundred two hundred
three we have some we have some towns that have a six month suspension for
a third time. I don't know if you have
a total of three to our regulations. So we reckon the tolling periods and actually
it's pro-business to do so think of the tolling period as kind of like if you get
a speeding ticket and you're on the hook Transco you're seven here should be good
for seven years and then you go back to being
a good citizen so what we're saying is by putting in
a certain amount of months which is
a good and I would say that if you're not doing that making plans to access them
from the community to go for the thirty six months and twenty four and saying
because you want to be doing as many say you need to be good for thirty six months
and then we clean your record so there's
a reason for them to live to an end of the day without it technically without
totally period you question it out eight years out may be on the hook for the
second so you're saying. This is something for you to work to as we caught you once
but if you good and we don't see you in front of us three years. Everything's going
one percent so that's how I would recommend thirty six if you're doing them all.
And then lastly for the suspensions. Is this shall versus may language we have
boards that like the wiggle room of having We may suspend you we personally like
the shell suspend because that doesn't surprise me well it's to protect you too
because if you give me that their respects
a different thing from her if you give me
a longer suspension and you give them my medical math you know where in the year
eighteen I'm doing this so at this point in time we've helped with health the
summit comes before you for suspension hearing there's only one question for you to
answer did assail take place here or not they were having a bad day they had
a headache their mother in law was in the hospital they they ran to the bathroom
let their twelve year old sell the cigarettes nothing to this detail take place
boom and then was Shall you just say sorry the reg says this is what happens
because
a retailer is always going to come to the Board of Health here in trying to convince
you that it was
a mistake it never happened before it will never happen again and you have to look
at it is as frequently
a sheriff would be out there with you go in your particular store. What are the
chances that she just happens to have the youth go into the store at that time
when you know the Parliament star is alarming and the sale was made as
infrequently as compliance checks are being done if that's if that store sells to
a minor there probably will bring something to mind especially at the bar
pretty night but times that would not normally doing right then an extension what
she would be out there weekends late at night whatever it was interesting just an
aside into the script the same process right now but I ended up going to do this
exact same thing with them on a night that they just
a plan sex like I love them almost half of the retailers they're regulation and she
says that you shall come before the board if you get caught I'll live and came up
there have every I should have written down these answers they were like or you
excuse the eleven you know and every single time they said their checks yes there
is
a this day here's your take it hard to take it that they're fun I was going to say
this three or four years ago or if there was an hour after hour that went out and
boards of health were invited to be to sign on to the regional part of the
regional program so the closest regional programs to here and you know there are
bigger stretches there's
a program in Fall River that comes nor is fairly far. And there is
a program on the Cape in the islands that comes east fairly shortly like Kingston
So I think Kingston is probably here close is funded community and then there's the
. Brookline Wellesley so you were you were higher than your wedding so your health
director at that point maybe been approached to see if you wanted to be part of
a regionally funded program. Last man in the eighth grade was right right this was
yeah this was after that so I will say is there will come
a time where the all the contracts come up again and. I will have this that season
tell us who are on from to be invited to join existing programs and M.H.L.
It doesn't always happen I know it but I mean you know it will be good bowling OK
that's happened right why would a town not take it in there is
a current thing but there are some does it is what it will remain nameless that
don't want to have anything to do with it you know I'm just wondering though is
really all know the cost benefit is no wonder it's not cost the town absolutely
nothing no I'll say this to me is the town's don't join it's just politically there
like tobacco or there is one condition for cities and towns to do it they have to
have a permit place they don't have to charge a thing but they have to have
a so we have a handful of towns and you've got to have a permit and
a permit from have personnel to sell chary sunscreen you have permits in place and
you charge
a fee there are towns that you just know what I'm wondering why I wouldn't take
advantage of a state program needed them with our town do Compliance Check there's
a possibility that. The Grant was submitted for programs in the air in the South
Shore area that didn't get accepted the state there were more more regional Grant
submitted than the state had money for so deal was there worse than regional
approach regional theoretical programs that were waiting listed and nobody ever
cropped up again and I was
a we were both reviewers and I don't remember specifically if there was you know
the South Shore area was had submitted but Quincy used to be the host
weren't all that funded and you know that got the money from D.P.H.
And provide. It's services to this area around adding to was included but that's
because you know many years ago no one's been around long enough Hell even. Now I
was on the Finance Committee before then and I'm just wondering if there was ever
an article or I think they were so sure some was. More social ladder so we
can forget of grammar but it was initially every night of so well this woman and
tobacco control so that money will will come up again but again it will be when we
really are if we look at things like smoking problems like that so we're told the
size was high. Thank you for remembering to bring your tablet in for when you
regret. It you remember I think you had I think you had something Indigo I didn't
know where I asked the question is how all the data was that's where
a number right said that it was
a little risk here years years old says but it was connotation but so I think it's
a five year funding cycle and that was probably your two or three right now so that
a couple of years to go before that goes up it's alright for Again you think you
know let me just
a couple just to be really mandated things you have to do if you can leave this
group yes unfunded mandate things oh I know there are no his money I'm trying to
figure out why we wouldn't to give me money this is
a hidden and the so the mandates in your deliverables would be to conduct
a full round of compliance shots with all your doctors and the vendor that sells
during Compliance Check would get another route to Lyons checks one full round of
retail inspections I believe there is also
a survey that gets done with all retailers so you're in the retail environment as
often as as we can get in there but the money is the staffing is is there or
I mean if find somebody else to the digits that's
a creative way for the roles you know celebrating
a well just three other things. One is that you right now have been on sale
for use lighters matches in
a row from. The rolling papers. I don't know to be dated.
Oh no. Oh no you don't believe him when you know it doesn't get so you can leave it
actually your old paper seems it's no sale to my house but it's massive to
stabilize that's. So if you were to that we did we do this regulation I'll make
sure the gets that gets in there your tobacco your current tobacco price definition
and glutes devices used to smoke in. The halls and well you know you can be tips
on cigars yet with tips on cigarettes that's. The good thing but that's interesting
because a history of this has been a problem that you know I think it's just
a sick joke that if you go between you and the cigarette I'm going to go OK this is
the unique wording but. Then you're perfect What's your number one fifty
OK so you're out there that. Are safe because. The last sublist there were
both market general where. Any girl is
a donor Yeah well. Because they say one thing that could happen really are.
Two towns in the city of us that do that they have
a. Revolving fund money goes back to.
The area. Where we used jails. Used to really get the second guy.
So the permit money in he has kept this for financing yes. Yes read the permit
money and in print field it was the permit money and fines went into
a revolving fund. And allowed me to continue to keep compliance checks you know and
some give you good now once you wouldn't pass it it's going to. Mr Du Lister also
did not he's going to been to Brimfield late for the. Fair whatever Brimfield is
a very small rural town they have three tobacco years that's OK but their permanent
fee even years ago was one hundred dollars per bender and that gave me enough money
to do three or four compliance is just really feel so that's the way to look at but
is it's
a process if you don't fancy you know that some of these process so just but. But
one of them is great but that's here. To question the character I'm going to. Let
my carry his private clubs I'm serious. About this
that they will have one of the series no small thing here in that there will be
a warrior. But if you know as they open up talks to
a lot of these egos and you know it's all here and they also have
a lot of these private clubs use behind him but I thrived and. Another five
years so I know it's hard to so I have
a surprise people who have never loved never complaining or gas to call them or
complaining as to you know think back to the Board of Health and complain if they
believe the forces. Printed snark Bangi it's not fair but they're open to the
public are they going dark to get it back though so it's just that is what is very
attached family right one with force. And I just wanted to ask for your
suggestions of that and the other one is
a lot of his reticence to have. Folks small out front of the restaurant you know
before they go in but other than the public walk us through the act or in the
restaurant so I think it's like one person is going to hear so you have you know
you have this but for some other. Mr buildings Yeah and then the head of the
alternative for
a long time it was just this buffer zone around every business which just was
impossible like be a nightmare to force especially in
a more densely populated downtown area where you know every door to the State of
the L. Lana del Sol. During the same way to get what we do have we have
a town whose apparently looking into in fact he makes our name. Take spent expand
the buffer zone to. Do this to this food service establishment or we end retail
food because having trouble with one of the supermarkets I'd leave so that is
something that you people all know you can go through he had this thing about how
that plays out better than I can but that might DIA possible thing the other thing
too is he saw about. Eighty percent of the city and just some of the gas train
somewhere else here. But maybe they're right as an area he would have to move on so
we have just as a just as
a side we're having to listen to us what each other like with us things and the
smoke was probably just outside the toilets and it could also do or so have like
who on the things on the run the not the doors here the wind it was really good
there is
a small but it comes out for three because it's like good yeah it was so I wouldn't
go to the roof with no sides yet they're also the data to the table then they're
good provision they could drink their beer out there as long as there is
a hidden fish to their roots. Yeah so that's the one that is
a buffer zone the other things I had at that site that we do have towns that
actually save wherever your liquor license extends to here OK you know it's just
it's really
a shame that the city only uses just I mean Mr and I guess for you but you know in
just to speak. From what I heard Clinton's
a couple of the places that we haven't wanted outside dying one of them was for.
The custard is this when we stop
a line is drawn and you have this issue yes come back to me. All right one of the
two that I know one of the problems with smoking outside it is you know it's one
thing in the winter the smokes and wouldn't go no they don't have the air if it's
too bad if you're
a smoker in the winter because they don't have I done right but it but in the
spring as it were spring summer and fall the good the restaurant windows open and
people are standing outside smoking is the responsibility of the restaurant to make
sure that that smoke doesn't mind grit so as I said I think you have never taken
somewhere else town is pretty good in the places that I know of. Yet either they
have or I don't know how many are in it is like you're saying anything to you
windows etc that they were smoking back or right wiring how it would mean something
like that product logically if they say in two words that are in
a shit like that and so. I should.
Just. Answer
a private club question its way the subject so let me just tell you what happened
state like. Years ago the city of ass all the answer to private clubs that went to
the Supreme Judicial Court and also one that came to before the asshole board house
because restaurants and bars are claiming that these private clubs were attacking
my proposal that unlike bars public bars and I'm trying to find the list because
I'm sitting here right here. And I'm going flat out. Yeah
so so I will say that the the reason is that we typically see people adding to the
list and we know. They can fit in even fifty cities and towns have the same
place and see the restaurant birth come forward and say we're getting sick of them
taking our business or we have private has actually come forward and say we can
decide amongst ourselves but if you make us do it and be the bad guy with that
stuff it sounds like you may be getting both ways. I would say at this point the
thing that may make sense is separate from the as maybe maybe if you did if you
were to move forward the sales of tobacco do that separately and then maybe in the
future look at the secondhand smoke let the private clubs know that you are that
you want them to be part of the public hearing on it and come in and talk about it
you'll be firey will suck up to us reality away but it'll be
a good fish better be good to hear what they found because you've made actually
find that they're really like well OK if you just make everybody do it you can live
with you know you're an attorney or you and so you want to do. So but I would say
make that separate because it'll just it's in the room something of your book is
probably close but we you know oddly enough we have people coming forward saying
our. At loggerheads at their own club but if you do it. And it is
a night the State Rep The state law that allows smoking and perhaps that exception
is
a nightmare. Because it's poorly done these private clubs are organised or at physically
me that to walk to school
a lot of times people going back and forth to the showers you know it's going
against the area like
a very hostile to the resolution of the rental for if you know you know. And the
other thing too is the state law actually says that they hire anybody who is not
a full time who's not are employed this gets to be smoke free so my typical list is
hire the belly dancer the caterer or the thing they have to.
Think you will be and. You have a great example this is because he's
a let people down complacent here they said the lecture. They have
a lecture series. This is
a this is very good to be sure it's really something you both still talk over your
checklist of the year we moved to the different league just feel free to e-mail us
with
a future question. What will they do good morning to begin to sort of take it once
with him yes we will see us our good night sorry again for. The next
thank you for the snow cervical spring snowstorm. The remembers the main rule is
that all you do oh over the years I would think
a bit I do remember when I least the snow leaves on him and. Looks clear it was
a moment ago I was going to have
a really good seventy eight hours after that book will serve as you know I love to
come over here there's snow here repeated Ray I get
a lot of wheat in you like we. Didn't know he was my.
Thank you very much a real doctor that you have
a stake on. Make sure. Your shoes brothers are all
well firings from here on this ring. And then our.
Thanks to what they were. Both I think just like.
All else life. Is to do you know. Look at
crowning is is that I've. Found America or really here.
They are he says yes I worry the only work that really. Really man President what
we've already done Robin Meade's probably all of your past work.
Allows us to be our regular trash collection. Not so it gets.
Messy fusing and. What I guess I was just going to have suggest is
that you know doing
a lot over as far as give out variances. Well I think can I just interrupt you
second I think the majority of these were because they were miss class. You know
you know
a lot of them back her just like you know the apartment building you know has the I
mean the House it has a Business Insider bit where the apartment building that has
a business with it that's where our man or your group with his several different
types of Xander said Mother wants Yeah but they were originally we had just
misquotes which oceans like
a Geiger shed the backyard of it so with things other than that it was considered
commercial property but there's also commercial residences there are kids right
that have
a residential property above them and then there was the drug trade where there are
two problems above that you're forced to get from dumpster I mean. That there was
not more than one more before we bust five or six different various types that we
do you know based on what we do when the original relationship with so I'm just
ingesting we go to the areas or at least there are questions in the board of
regulation which says that these use property must have their own separate
personal travel site the. Best the one thing and the other part
to this is what happened was I doing all this time giving out
toters or. Home Network head for Carmine's or
less. And then the assessor's office came in last many
years ago. And had been out doing an assessment of the property is all these
tellers and hanging it said these are the excesses after sunset mountable parcels
are
a lot of one taxable as commercial. So that I didn't confuse We had letters go out
of love and people said. We missed we must do it the way
your priority is being listed and he ended up here in the meantime Mr Hicks
in hand and presented me with this letter and Sarah so I
had stock you know I haven't taken any coders away except for around this one of
the properties in foreclosure is totally empty right now and there was one other
car in the night seven buildings on it grow and three five is only like two
occupied units I have to offer right now who's. So you know these other ones have
been taken away but I need to go back now and say to these people we made
a mistake you have a right to tell her the trouble is he is just
a sock it is in our rights don't connect us to your country looking at
surprisingly. So that's what happened over a commercial that will serve on
a business works you know because not one hundred means that. As Jessica said
examine all who only two or three houses
a lot they consider that way. However there are.
People it is considered her. Is what is the definition of
dealer who lives there because I think in one of these examples Melanie lives
theory it's I don't know anything about that I'm just saying I think you have his
golf ball out on
a lot. Of the back brick like and personal. Here this one tax bill
so I was just
a major piece of computer. So I was playing too much in time to keep that
occurs. When you start playing now.
So. I guess isn't good for the product for
a while as well you know that amount so you get more and you know in the end I can
do I can sympathize with the frustration does this individual did agree with your
hand in and in documenting everything and you probably infirmed
a couple of these things that you could. Right on you confirm get over happened if
you have or we way look at the men you know and like Max around it talked about
and it was I will inspire you to have them table it and not over when it was
actually
a man A and nothing ever much to him but that is deep so it's sort of like it was
open ended the of the thing that I had concerns that my concern was and especially
when he was
a two thousand and four he came home from the came home from vacation and found out
this trash was picked up and. I don't think it would hurt if the board of health
made it
a policy not to stop anyone's trash pick up that the they have an automatic appeal
we just don't stop because according to what he said it just stopped the monastery
. And that might give a little time or earlier for us as
a Board of Health necessities to see
a part where our definitions do work together in the Right now our definition is
different we look at it like you meant. Like meaning you have four units in my
building built in as for building lunar property the assessor's office knows.
I just want to verbalize one frustration that everyone is probably sickened me
saying them in the city to get us to go this soup was taken out of our hands by the
town manager a year and
a half ago and I really think these things should be addressed with the selectmen
and the town manager who wanted this new trash. Program is there who are
more of the navvies
a little bit confused by the whole burial sensed this yes but this is sense the new
program has trashed ops you know how it has it's more to do with fusion with more
Alberich and laid him. And the fact that. It was
misinterpreted I get confused with his AS because. I think I hear this.
And then realize. I didn't mistake made this and he's saying that they
should have covered him as here OK it was
a misunderstanding how I was interviewing me. So I called Bob about it the
day it happened. If really I know so I wanted to believe that I was thinking of Oh
yeah I planned you know right from this moment like hey. They're not good
and told me. That it there was to stay in business and they're going to stay
here they should be happy. I was still dragging the place I know what I do right
real barriers are put in this is why you were told me there's
a little good friend of mine or the struggle into recess to live in really just
really want to go to Syria this is going to marry this was taken over there and
there he does America not line up this was there before he was out for his or
or his or her answer to the radio Well this is why I'm wondering if we should have
. Some type of
a thirty day appeal process right where we start doing it that way there is enough
time if you are in the Bush forty six years or you can paste I'm sorry again today
we are we are told it is and certain you know residence is around the town yet we
don't say we don't send a letter that he was able to take them without giving them
a thirty day process because like we found out it was an hour that there was
a misunderstanding Yeah yeah I heard I think it's
a good idea to end for this gentlemen that and then I don't know how long it went
on vacation exactly no I'm planning on two thousand dollars I don't know but do you
know with the exception of people who can do that less than one takes of more than
a month vacation I'd love to get him
a little I know yes because that he did not really but I'm wondering if thirty days
is on the appropriate I think you're being very you know if you or I missed the
pivotal you feel so good to think that I have to say I will take off from
a rack with all of you. And secondly I
believe. It goes again where
can I disagree but for now when you hear of these it says the residence is three
family and under your son for him his. Are supposed to be three families from your
. Current group and Roger with like Iowa true family and are it was.
Going to be an overall success prevail is rather not for him and.
Very often the truth. Telling of his great great father.
Would be officers remember him well do we need to vote yeah I think you were
mentioned was a motivator to both of them. Order to request
a thirty day stay of execution before anybody played the ball with what I'll see
the actually bigger guys that are there see it that basically the trash truck
and I second that I can't go to my disposal I can't work for you just for today
your truck told me to marry you Terri Moulton says that before you consider it
a motion that you just want to. Provide for track purposes that we would
allow a thirty day stay of execution
a very or removal of charge services or anything to do with our services for thirty
days before any action taken against the taxpayer or best of the product and
hand. In Motion it's not going to be for the sake. Of everything
are right. But as there is your. Right and I'm the only
stay and see variance and yeah execute simple yes no right but you know it's right
but it. Was me.
You can't listen to people say I heard you do that way every witness for the good
of the multitasking we really. Do have power they go. Oh
yeah kind of business A.O.L.
Is fact not given any more variances. Because And in my memory.
The variances were given it's been because of. Misclassification maybe I just leave
it like that leave out leave out the others. But I would I would not want to
penalize some of my friends be. Eligible may have been misclassified going forward
. I think it's your right this classified versus.
Say and what. Are your growing what with
a bit OK So I think there is there at least certain lines that yes have been his
last and I So for example one of the think of one in particular the set they had
a business in the they haven't had a business for X.
Money years that wasn't
a variance it was just clarification hands OK I see. Really spoke we
need. And I think. We're going to do less you are unable.
Yeah it was really my book which is going to also take on OK because we've heard
this from. APRIL twenty years which is I didn't do anything with it or it
is the clean up you know Saturday and the Saturday I'm sat here the election that's
why these that didn't least least. You can also sign up online go to say sages
website you can sign up online but children want to. Bring stuff is at the station
OK if you want to participate and help you know. Always looking for volunteers we
had one person that wants to float around on an island Grove and pick up trash in
the water and along the shore when I heard about it and I said I know some really
appreciate that I'll go with the farm but I didn't tell him I said you might you
know normally Department guy showed me the machine that they use he told me they
had and I found it hard to believe because he told me they had just used that
machine that showed me pictures had took garbage out of the lake just just along
with the Play Station as OK they don't use that machine anywhere else and like just
across from the police station. But there was this I mean I walked over there that
I'm like I took a ton of pictures I have
a cell phone to look like anything that ever been you know just there's garbage in
that lake I went along there and threw it all over the fence so that and that's
a new thing to this year that we we haven't had anyone over to do that for the
clean and sober and I'm going to like you know going back to the early stages when
George nine or one you know one to one mind then it grew out of you anyway names we
want to sort of keep clear ninety one April twentieth to police station anything
rude or anything with it would We'll say we're trying to return your mother it's
official we know class no clothes will suit and tie and it got so around town it's
what people have done some should if people have done time in or around town there
will be a trailer at Sullivan that we write is great as
a compost sale but I think it's already scheduled remarks to marry your own with
openness is what are clear and this is not going to leave us to be going really
really nerdy here you are. Going to have as we get I'm trying to tell you what
weekends have been busy that we should never reviews going to con the Crimea is
clean up in the twenty seventh his election so sure of
a level you want to play no more so than thirteen thirteen. Yeah
it's
a given it's time to let everyone in the town know only. Fair and you go girl but
it's a label thirteen one I've never had
a problem laughs Yeah we just want to be really clear what would you like to see
what time do we tell the players thirteen to them it's like Wow So we just have to
make sure the that's going to be here and I'm like you know if we can get that OK
and because I really had a track
a lot of people you know like an EXACT same way we had last I think that works out
really well which was to clarify if I'm in the back or my office has an. And you
know how it was man you're OK and we have to take
a break here the rooster really good vaccinated and legal all that's virtually the
issue here but what was great it was
a good stuff series and they can also license or die you know and forever life
at places that don't get mad and backs and certainly didn't write your tell here is
No No Yes I have done some stuff highway department and in fact in the I had talked
to the town acting town clerk and she wanted to know wouldn't it was going to be
easy if you let me hear back and say you let her novel out and didn't do we have to
vote last year and look the hourly rate was we did this review and every month
although you know that didn't pay her that here she's are. Well sure she was not
that's right so she should be doing this for nothing here we should do it I can't
take her B.S.
And we and the line items that or know that last year when she had it on to your
list she says she was in Florida and she wasn't and he was the clerk working her
tired child clerk which is about time and half he's Templer So she's gone from five
time to full time and that's going to you know he was always full time later should
at least she's now acting out for her last few with the clerk so acting temp
workers salary. The other positions are really set the definable I know because I
But I think I know I don't have anything to pay her for well we paid her last year
so I I I I have
a problem telling someone to come in and work for nothing while I wonder to me does
all this is that is it Leon was it you know it was that you would be able to deal
with it or show up with her drinking and I cannot I can't hear the kids through the
tell me that you're
a literal for Bonjour bridge or for three hours. To work during the week to do
three hours work in the Saudi was wrong to do it but only if the town manager of
a town like that I want to pay her to do it right Constantine to assure them but
that needs to come from the flock from the prime minister not from Oregon right now
but so we will never get out of this we won't make it mandatory I'm sorry I am not
unique I answered and asked her if she wants to do it oh. We have shows and if you
want your way out and get ready and. Puts
a sheet on if they want to get their money that is then what will or whatever they
came to because I think there was some she did really well actually by the member
of what you could actually mean choice of the town to do that. You know because
what it all very good novels are. Still I have
a question why do you have to license dogs to look up turn around I don't know we
should change this look into that next needle because you give them rabies shots so
I just wonder why they don't have to be licensed. Also become more money than I
care to yes will do good morning they have to keep your cats out of my. Workouts
and I hope nobody loves me I had to make good in my door gets Surely this is the
truth that I just want to go through with the. World that. We.
Already poked
a treat and there's nothing terribly exciting I think planning to do for
a trip leader I really wanted to be
a good. Thing I am wired to do this of course
is that the greater part of the fate. Of these three types of course is
that. I also was just. Going on
vacation next week Luke wouldn't let me help you can.
You go on vacation next week yes no absolutely not yet kid.
Saturday I'm doing all day training your experience more here then you're on
a training so I've got you and I don't know you I get you're sorry. There are calls
for not no. And the one of the dots for is this freedom yes. What
about the little legs in the water medal remember all I have to go to the right
phrase for her here is we get quote me and my cell phone and other great stuff
for that is it just to go to that because those both have to do with the city that
never must. Have it Memphis has
a deliverable here we know. Where they owe them around
the armory there are numerous and I see yes example overhauled which is part of the
parents and that's why I bring him home. I'm just trying to figure out ways to our
house that Tom says. There's anyone else trying to get over though it's really hard
here because their entire record. I'm going to be something on food for. The police
to each other next to. This is good and there is for some you borrow or my anger
for all not her own. Ten or ten am. I going to see images of them before
we really learn in the Senate in emails. They experience. Where like
all. The real drill places people are on all the outlets that you can use the phone
and they want for
a fact response yes it was over and we'll get it again and again the last time they
called my home not as yet I think it must sound of my e-mail I sent you back but
it's been changed oh no we changed before and to some never know Leslie Yeah but
your article says on the on so I don't want to I don't want us to get gig if they
claim is that
a number that we're going to be and when they come you know I don't know families
over and over I will be here I don't know I know you know all of us are there for
all the little good. OK if you also
help visions your book No you don't have anything is this minute OK these are mine
. And I read them in the same motions to do so and I mean as
a gesture on have to commend her for. Her she must get nearer to you because
you're one of the exhibits tell me
a lot of the meeting but if you read it it says on the bottom of it the following.
Items but they're not me. As far as her my second post I read this as
an asking we did ask her if you knew you. And I met in the
OFF CAN WE JUST A FEW of the list that we had after the War ended up with her but
there you have to be
a tougher before it was going to call you for that cafe but it was
a duel both for exotic dancer and lawyer mode or the suggested around just that the
vote was just every vote of the minutes then present what it was except the moves
were glories of house growth as
a list of what I will do so it was clear as you know thank you and I appreciate
that when they got most of the motion to accept the minutes of my work. With the
amendments you and the rains. Posts
a recycling program ready. Action of
their. Rights against motion executive or of Israel there is there are as
valid as your girl. Or your award.
For. Instance to. These are the things.
We. Will look into during
oceans was very dark and heard most of George ergo are all very sorry every second
your very good ocean is utterly virgin so all they say are hi I'm your mother. Good
night good.